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BdBuracrt
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posted March 21, 2000 12:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BdBuracrt   Click Here to Email BdBuracrt     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I get a lot of people complaining to me about foreign made equipment manufactured overseas especially in China and Korea. Are cranes, wire rope, nuts and bolts made in Asian countries really that bad, or is it an excuse that people use because they've either overloaded, shockloaded or otherwise operated the crane in a manner that would cause damage to the equipment?

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Bandaid 33
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posted March 21, 2000 04:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bandaid 33   Click Here to Email Bandaid 33     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
B B :

They are truely that bad and are one of my pet peeves. I have chased down foreign made wire rope clips all over the western US. They are horrible. It is beyond me why Osha has not made this an issue other than they have many irons in the fire right now.

Traditionally, the domestic made "Crosby" clips come with torque specification and other data. The foreign clips particularly those coming from China....will develop a crack in the saddle if torqued to the same ft-lbs requirement as the crosby. I preach the non-usage of the foreign clips to my crews constantly. I often find casting defects, air pockts, existing cracks, bad threads and so on.

My other concern is that by back checking through vendors, we can find no "rating" for these clips, and I constantly see them used for cable guardrails on highrises and other work. With out a rating, the entire guardrail system becomes "non-rated".

I had an ocassion to see a concrete deadman accidently dropped in Phoenix several years ago. It was secured by a series of foreign clips to a wire rope.

Those clips popped just like a zipper and the weight could not have been more than 800 lbs.

Japan is producing a good drop forged clip that seems comparable with the Crosby, but the clips comming from China and other third world producing contries are simply cheap malleable clips. To me they are nothing more than widowmakers.

I am also hearing that a foreign made clevis may have parted on the load that was dropped at the Venetian hotel last year in which a sharp young carpenter was killed. His father was the superintendent.

If you want to see the difference,I have plenty of samples for comparison, and will be more than happy to send you a set to look at first hand. You will be amazed at the difference. I think we see them on the jobs simply because of price difference. A $3 Crosby clip can be bought for $.75 in the Chinese clip of the same dimension. I try to educate purchasing agents as to the seriousness of the difference. Sometimes it works, and sometimes it does not.

My real concern is that I have seen these foreign cable clips showing up on cranes in critical places.

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posted March 23, 2000 09:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tagline   Click Here to Email Tagline     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Shackles and wire rope clips should all be same as far as ratings go no matter who makes them. To bad that it's not so. I've seen shackles (china) and wire rope clips (china) fail to quickly. If a manufacturer cannot back up their product with data, then then the product shouldn't be allowed in the states. We stay with Grosby because we know they make quality rigging and we can trust the safe working load marked on the shackles or shake out hooks.

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dfolkers
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posted January 07, 2002 12:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dfolkers   Click Here to Email dfolkers     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
In the oil fields on the north slope of Alaska (Prudhoe Bay), all china made shackles are illegal and are mandatorally removal and distroyed. Extensive research by the oil companies has found that they will not meet the WLL limit.

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Highsteel
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posted July 01, 2002 07:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Highsteel   Click Here to Email Highsteel     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Another thing I didnt see mention was that when dealing with domestic lifting equipment wire rope,clips, shackles etc.. most of these can be traced back to billet of steel used to manufacture it whereas overseas manufacturers you typically cannot.
I do have to say that even though I do not like or use asian lifting "equipment" There are some really good asian chain hoists electric and manual out there. Laugh as some may compared to some of the over priced american chain hoists Coffing Yale etc.. A JET for example made in china and Japan is an awesome hoist. Well I'm done babbling.

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